Sneakers55

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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2010 5:46:21 PM
Tatalah wrote:
>Electricity and gas are like oil and water. They don't mix.
They mix just fine using a Prius, a Volt, and a number of other vehicles.
>Electrolysized hydrogen mixes with everything just fine.
First thing, "electrolysized" is not a word.
Electrolyzed hydrogen doesn't mix with much of anything because of the basic laws of science ladled out daily in freshman chemistry and physics classes. One kg of hydrogen equals approximately 75 kWh of electricity and there's no way around that.
If electrolyzed hydrogen is the answer, it's obvious that the wrong question has been asked. Batteries likely work better.
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traindude

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2010 7:28:05 AM
i wish everyone could afford these type cars
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2010 7:43:42 PM
I'd love to have an ecar right now, but that's not working for me b/c my daily commute exceeds the range limit.
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RogerB

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2010 1:27:23 AM
I agree! - I wish SOMEONE would introduce an electrical car that's affordable and allows for some limitations to make it so. Example: why not make a small generator that does NOT have the capacity to run the car at full power. It would be lighter, more efficient, but might require you to sit (take a coffee/bathroom break - so what) and let it charge some. I'm willing to accept such trade-offs when 99% of my driving is under 40 miles in a day!
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skiaustin

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Austin
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:56:08 PM
I wish SOMEONE would introduce an electrical car that's affordable and allows for some limitations to make it so. Example: why not make a small generator that does NOT have the capacity to run the car at full power. It would be lighter, more efficient, but might require you to sit (take a coffee/bathroom break - so what) and let it charge some. I'm willing to accept such trade-offs when 99% of my driving is under 40 miles in a day!
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gj35

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:51:17 PM
I agree with gasaholic, they need to fix a few things.
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Blue_Cruzer

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:32:46 PM
I think I will wait till they are in the hands of actual owners, and see how they preform.
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Jeff1944

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South Dakota
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:26:11 PM
Your language is obtuse. Speak in English please.
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DocWyeth

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:23:23 PM
I bet all the people in SF want one.
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NHLiveFree

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:23:16 PM
Are you really serious mikaye or just incredibly ....? From your questions, it appears that you don't car to read and very likely could not afford any $40,000 vehicle.
The Volt sounds like a true goat with its on-board charging engine, powered by gasoline mikaye.
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rxman1

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:22:49 PM
I'm still not sold.
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52MPG

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:22:30 PM
I am waiting for the real world tests by consumers.
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preacherjohn

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Modesto
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:22:17 PM
What will Chevy think of next?
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Bigwaynef

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:13:48 PM
I just can't see paying 40K for a toy...
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LoneGuy

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Lansing
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:11:42 PM
They are trying to pack a lot of ideas into this project.
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CobraLeader

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:09:50 PM
... I can't afford the Volt at $40K+. Can you? ...
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ssect8

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:07:49 PM
I wonder how long the Volt will last, probably not as long as the Edsel.
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camel1

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:06:26 PM
Mountain mode for more climb power? Sounds strange. Will it actually work?
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joel27nc

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:03:18 PM
To Expensive for me.
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AKmailman

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Alaska
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:02:46 PM
all these goodies starting at $40k
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Tatalah

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 11:00:40 PM
Electricity and gas are like oil and water. They don't mix. Electrolysized hydrogen mixes with everything just fine.
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dirt girl

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:59:53 PM
Of course this is just the test model. Your mileage will vary when they figure out a way to make the car more cheaply.
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traindude

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:57:39 PM
has to be more affordable. like a remedy for stupidity, if it was a million dollars, there'd still be stupid people
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bigreddwg

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:53:06 PM
AGAIN, SEEING IS BELIEVING - DON'T TRUST ANY OF THESE "EXPERT" REPORTS!!
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mikaye

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:48:47 PM
before being bought, i will need to know where to find fuel, how much insurance is needed, price and how much fuel is.
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TIGERPAW46

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Florida
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:46:03 PM
I like the Idea of a hybrid but I still want a van. Come on dealers can't you generate enough output at a reasonable cost to propel a van?
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gasaholicMO

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:36:39 PM
They need to fix a few things, price, electric range & price.
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Sisu58

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:30:41 PM
Sounds like just a lot of hype.
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reeko

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:26:58 PM
wonder how much free electricity costs?
electric hybrid vehicles = fail = moonbat fantasy.
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EVBuddy

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Nevada
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:26:30 PM
How far does it go?
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Bus561

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:20:53 PM
Right now I will stay with my gasoline powered vehicles because this type of vehicle has a lot of proving to do before it will convince me.
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OGW

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London
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:17:21 PM
Has a very long way to go before it is a practical and useful vehicle.
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ajrn

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:09:41 PM
Quote..
Over the course of the day, Bradley drove the Volt a total of 59.7 miles, 16.1 of which occurred with the gas-powered range-extending on. During that time, 0.59 gallons of gas were consumed, which means the Volt achieved about 100 miles per gallon for the day and 27.3 mpg while the engine was operating.
27.3 mpg while the engine was running.
...Uh guys-- how much does YOUR "free" electricity cost??
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signwiz

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:09:17 PM
If gas prices continue present patterns they may be in trouble.
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Lukus

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Halifax
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 10:03:40 PM
OK
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panama303

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Denver
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:53:14 PM
No YOU have to climb the financial mountain if you want one.
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ricker8

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:52:48 PM
This car is a great looking car and will probably be a car for our future but because of it's high pricing most of the common worker who could really use one can't afford it.
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heysailor

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:52:05 PM
It doesn't use a fuel cell but I might try one.
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judgemobile

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:46:39 PM
can it climb the economic and financial mountain ??
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915Chief

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:46:12 PM
Now tell us who can afford one...
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abcdMA

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Worcester
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:37:47 PM
but will the car make it through the first year financially?
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briank299

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:31:20 PM
New technology is ALWAYS pricey when it is new. Give the Chevy Volt some time, and the price will be within reach VERY soon! Remember - You won't have to spend $100 or more at the gas pump every month - Factor that into the overall cost! :-)
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aldog365

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:29:53 PM
I can see alot of people running in mountain mode all the time.
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ss70

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:28:57 PM
volt at the present price is a flopshow.
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DosEquis26

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:22:14 PM
the $41,000 boondoggle
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jb107

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:20:26 PM
We could never afford a Volt.
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ex911

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:16:04 PM
that's really cool to know!
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schatzila

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:11:00 PM
Wonder if they tested it on the hills of San Francisco.
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HailstormCA

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:09:23 PM
How about entering it in the Pike's Peak competition?
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RENEGADEGAS

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2010 9:07:24 PM
Ray_10589....well said.
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